Professor CCC wrote:
Indeed, when
observed phenomena contradict what a proposed model predicts, the standard
practice is to say the model and/or its predictions have been falsified.
Popper. [quoting Tillman]
Oh, piffle. “Not perfectly accurate” is not the same as “contradict.”
The models for the first atomic bomb didn’t get the yield right—I forget
whether they over predicted or under predicted—but the only model that was
contradicted was Enrico Fermi’s, who predicted that the blast would ignite all
the hydrogen in the Earth’s crust and thus blow us all to smithereens. That one
was falsified. The others weren’t.
We would not govern
our private affairs by models that we know don’t work [quoting Tillman]
Again, “don’t work” isn’t the same as “aren’t precisely accurate.” For
years I governed my affairs with a watch that ran fast. I take my blood
pressure with a monitor that is consistently high, but I know that and correct
for it.
—it seems (to me at
least) to govern our public affairs on such a basis is wrong. [quoting Tillman]
When in the summers of the early 1960 I helped track satellites for NASA
we knew our models were incomplete, and the satellites were never precisely
where they were predicted to be, but it was good enough for government work and
we were confident they weren’t going to run into any of the manned launches.
We know (relativistic effects; the earth rotates fastest at the equator)
that people in northern latitudes age faster than people farther south. But
nobody ever bothers taking that into account.
Seth
wrote:
I started
my contribution to this thread with:
So does that mean that the climate-change-related
laboratory/experimental models have worked—that they have accurately
predicted (within reasonable bounds) future climate change—e.g.,
the path of mean surface temperature globally? [bold added]
I have
consistently used such cautious language.
Still,
Professor CCC responds with:
Oh, piffle. ‘Not perfectly accurate’
is not the same as ‘contradict.’
He even puts both “contradict” and “perfectly accurate” in quotation
marks. I used the former language (“contradict”), but not the latter (“perfectly
accurate”). Nor do I use any language like the latter language (“perfectly
accurate”) when discussing prediction, confirmation, validation, or
falsification.
Then Professor CCC tries to make an analogy between global-warming
predictions and yield-predictions involving the Manhattan project. That analogy
fails—miserably. The Manhattan project was new science conducted under war-time
conditions of secrecy. Theories involving global warming are now old or, at
least, established science—we are on IPCC5—“5” as in the fifth report. There is
no public embargo on data or research or public discussion of
ideas/methods/conclusions/etc—or, at least, there aren’t supposed to be any
such limitations. Finally, yield predictions involved a closed man-made system
with easily measurable inputs and reasonably easy to measure outputs. By
contrast, purported global warming claims and purported claims involving its
anthropogenic components involve a system not under human control, involving a
far wider range of inputs [including some of which may be unknown] and outputs—which
are more difficult to measure—much less to predict. Those making claims
involving such a complex, open system have every good reason to be cautious—all
the more so, those who would govern public policy on such science. All that
might explain (or excuse) why the various global warming models have such poor
predictive capacity—but that is simply a way of saying that their predictive
capacity remains poor. As explained in an article in Popular Mechanics,
which surveyed the 5 IPCC reports: “The 15 climate models the IPCC used for
the AR5 projected widely divergent cumulative carbon-dioxide emissions from
2012 to 2100, ranging from 140 to 1910 gigatonnes.” <https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a9460/a-beginners-guide-to-the-ipcc-climate-change-reports-15991849/#ixzz2h0UMob4E>
These models cannot all be correct.
As for current events, yesterday, it was reported that the British Columbia
Supreme Court (I think that’s the trial court), dismissed Michael Mann’s
defamation case against Professor Ball. Mann will owe Ball court costs
(following the English rule which prevails in Canadian courts) unless the
decision is reversed.
Happy days,
Seth
Seth Barrett Tillman, Part 3, Conlawprof and Climate Change, New Reform Club (Aug. 23, 2019, 7:05 AM), <https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2019/08/part-3-conlawprof-and-climate-change.html>.
Seth Barrett Tillman, Part 2, Conlawprof and Climate Change, New Reform Club (Aug. 22, 2019, 8:35 AM), <https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2019/08/part-2-conlawprof-and-climate-change.html>.
Here is part 1: Seth Barrett Tillman, Conlawprof and Climate Change, New Reform Club (Aug. 21, 2019, 12:44 PM), <https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2019/08/conlawprof-and-climate-change.html>.
Seth Barrett Tillman, Part 2, Conlawprof and Climate Change, New Reform Club (Aug. 22, 2019, 8:35 AM), <https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2019/08/part-2-conlawprof-and-climate-change.html>.
Here is part 1: Seth Barrett Tillman, Conlawprof and Climate Change, New Reform Club (Aug. 21, 2019, 12:44 PM), <https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2019/08/conlawprof-and-climate-change.html>.

