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Wednesday, October 02, 2024

On Winning Debates

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I remember a trial lawyer roundtable on Court TV in the early days of cable, F. Lee Bailey, Johnnie Cochran, and the flamboyant Gerry Spence. Spence told of his first trial, where he ripped the other side's witnesses up one side and down the other. Total annihilation.


The jury came back against him. Incredulous, Spence got a chance to chat up one of the jurors--I won 17 ways to next Sunday, how on earth could I lose??
The juror replied, Why did you make us hate you? Spence said it was the greatest lesson he ever learned, one they didn't teach in law school.
Vance came in with huge poll negatives, well underwater, the result of months of trashing by the Democrat media slime machine. Job One was not to destroy the avuncular Tim Walz, but to sell himself. Indeed, instead of leaping for Walz's throat, he passed up a gimme and used his first statement to "introduce himself" to the American people.
Although he won conclusively on the issues, his real victory was having Walz eating out of his hand by the end instead of coming off like the monster the Dems had made him out to be. And managed to put the biased "moderators" in their place too, without leaving himself open to the charge of bullying women.
Regardless of who they said "won," the quickie polls had his favorable/unfavorable numbers in the black. The Trump/Vance ticket hardly needed more points for aggressiveness. Had he destroyed Uncle Tim Walz, any debate victory would have been Pyrrhic.

Friday, September 27, 2024

A Message from ChatGPT

 


 

Query: Does the Presidents of the United States hold an “office under the United States” as that phrase is used in the United States Constitution?

 

ChatGPT said: 

The phrase “office under the United States” appears several times in the United States Constitution, but it has been the subject of much legal interpretation, especially regarding whether the President of the United States holds such an office.

Arguments that the President does hold an “office under the United States”:


1.                 Plain Meaning: Some argue that "office under the United States" refers to any official position established by the Constitution or federal law. Since the presidency is a position established by the Constitution, the argument follows that it is an office under the United States.


2.                 Article VI, Clause 3 (Oath of Office): This clause requires "all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States" to take an oath to support the Constitution. The President, as an executive officer, takes an oath, so some interpret this as evidence that the President holds an office under the United States.


3.                 Precedent and Practice: In some contexts, courts and legal scholars have argued that the President is covered by the phrase. For example, in cases relating to the Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9), some have argued that the President holds an "office under the United States" and is therefore subject to the clause's restrictions.



 

Arguments that the President does not hold an “office under the United States”:


1.                 Structural Interpretation: Others argue that the phrase "office under the United States" refers only to appointed positions and does not include the presidency, which is an elected position. The President is not appointed by any superior officer but is instead directly elected by the people through the Electoral College. This makes the presidency unique among federal positions.


2.                 Constitutional Distinctions: Some constitutional provisions explicitly distinguish the presidency from other offices. For example, the Impeachment Clause (Article II, Section 4) refers to the "President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States," suggesting that the President is distinct from those who hold "civil offices." If the drafters of the Constitution intended the President to hold an "office under the United States," they might have included the President explicitly in such provisions.


3.                 Historical Usage: Historical debates and writings from the Founding era suggest that the Framers may have intended to exclude the President from the category of "offices under the United States." They often used "officer" to refer to appointed officials, while elected positions like the presidency were seen as distinct.



Conclusion:

The question of whether the President holds an "office under the United States" is complex and context-dependent. There are arguments on both sides, with some interpretations suggesting that the phrase includes the presidency, while others maintain that the President, as an elected official, is not included.

Ultimately, the answer depends on the specific constitutional provision in question and how courts or scholars interpret the phrase in that context. The issue has been debated in areas like the Emoluments Clause and the Disqualification Clause (14th Amendment, Section 3), but there is no definitive resolution that applies uniformly across all constitutional contexts.


Seth Barrett Tillman, A Message from ChatGPT,’ New Reform Club (Sept. 27, 2024, 6:56 AM), <https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2024/09/a-message-from-chatgpt.html>;