tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post9056309198687707340..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: How The Recounts Pose A Risk To Mike PenceHunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-51497795803750364402016-12-01T10:45:03.502-05:002016-12-01T10:45:03.502-05:00@John Cunningham
That looks like one of the answer...@John Cunningham<br />That looks like one of the answers to "I'll take 'how to start a civil war, for $100, Alex'.<br /><br />Less bloody, but of the same sort would be to shoot Democrat senators, from States w Republican state houses, which get to nominate a replacement senator.<br /><br />Much more effective, and no bloody mess created, would be for the House to impeach any Senator who refuses to attend to vote. Every senator has sworn to uphold the Constitution and in this case, the duty is to attend. Voting, or abstaining are possible responses. Absvonding so as to deny the Senate its legitimate power is not.<br />OK, there would be a mess o' schadenfreude at the prospect of an impeached senator faced with the catch 22 of attending to defend against the impeachment, by attending..<br />But no blood, although "civil" war might result in the Senate.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-84142715463165069442016-11-28T23:58:33.097-05:002016-11-28T23:58:33.097-05:00The Demonrats just won't take their ball and g...The Demonrats just won't take their ball and go home! It's over! Hitlary, you LOST! You are a LOSER!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-85805524868911073662016-11-28T23:44:13.853-05:002016-11-28T23:44:13.853-05:00If the DemonRats carry through with this strategy,...If the DemonRats carry through with this strategy, it seems like a good response would include shooting any DemonRat on sight.John Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07512292512993140028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-28395230232728763152016-11-28T15:35:53.708-05:002016-11-28T15:35:53.708-05:00Umm. All three states have certified Trump as winn...Umm. All three states have certified Trump as winner. Has has the 306 electoral votes now. The only thing the recount changes if Hillary finds enough votes to overturn(according to the Dems themselves, very unlikely). Right now, he is certified as winner, until something changes thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-9391551027108336872016-11-28T14:23:10.407-05:002016-11-28T14:23:10.407-05:00That's all very interesting, but it forgets on...That's all very interesting, but it forgets one very important thing: States choose electors, not voters. The states in question are under no obligation to wait for the recount, at least not under the federal constitution. Bush vs Gore proved that. There will be electors for Wisconsin, whether the count is finished or not.Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865567065778234500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-50570806654501081102016-11-28T14:13:36.034-05:002016-11-28T14:13:36.034-05:00Do the Democrats want a civil war? Because this i...Do the Democrats want a civil war? Because this is how you get a civil war....Fidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14623013337654868540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-47856892327341929942016-11-28T11:24:01.333-05:002016-11-28T11:24:01.333-05:00Twelfth Amendment: “The person having the greatest...<br />Twelfth Amendment: “The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of <b>the whole number of Electors appointed</b>”. <br /><br />If all 3 states miss the deadline, what is the “whole number of Electors appointed”? 538 or 492? If missing the deadline means failing to appoint electors, then the number would be 492 and the number it takes to win would be only 247.<br /><br />This memo (from the 2000 election) suggests that the number needed would stay at 270: <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/12/the-number-of-electors-necessary-for-the-election-of-a-president" rel="nofollow">www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/12/the-number-of-electors-necessary-for-the-election-of-a-president</a>. There are no doubt memos to be written that conclude the opposite. As Anonymous 11:09 points out, Trump probably wins either way (in the EC or in the House).Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17459992224851404501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-7448811407480540502016-11-28T11:12:06.902-05:002016-11-28T11:12:06.902-05:00Note that Baehr has updated his post to reflect th...Note that Baehr has updated his post to reflect the same thing that I just posted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-4937727571623476762016-11-28T11:09:08.538-05:002016-11-28T11:09:08.538-05:00It appears to me that both you and Baehr have not ...It appears to me that both you and Baehr have not read the entirety of the 12th amendment. <br /><br />It includes the following: "The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed" The same language is used for the VP.<br /><br />So if any state fails to appoint Electors, then the majority is not 270, but some lesser number calculated by reference to the Electors actually appointed. <br /><br />Trump & Pence will have a majority any way you look at it, unless the Electors being challenged are actually flipped to the Democrats. And even then, all three states have to flip. Pennsylvania won't. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-26552020589887184692016-11-28T10:28:16.383-05:002016-11-28T10:28:16.383-05:00TRUMP NEEDS TO IMMEDIATELY
Call a press conferenc...TRUMP NEEDS TO IMMEDIATELY<br /><br />Call a press conference and in a 2-3 minute pithy statement explain to the "Average Joe" what the Democrats are doing, and why, and how it will disrupt their lives and our country, so hell can rain down on these people, now and in the next election. <br /><br />He needs to get ahead of this so he steers the narrative. <br /><br />And he needs to do this NOW.TPShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07613663983162109098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-17349419160977228542016-11-28T10:16:37.426-05:002016-11-28T10:16:37.426-05:00If the house elects Trump and the democrats in the...If the house elects Trump and the democrats in the senate refuse to show up what's to stop the sitting members of the senate for repealing anything they want for Trump to sign?Donald F. Lintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503949724806402186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-11322282561439784642016-11-28T10:11:51.763-05:002016-11-28T10:11:51.763-05:00I HIGHLY doubt a recount will happen in Pennsylvan...I HIGHLY doubt a recount will happen in Pennsylvania. Without Pennsylvania, the whole election-upset scheme fails. <br /><br />This is because Pennsylvania law does NOT allow recounts by right. It instead requires the interested party to file a lawsuit alleging that vote fraud / tampering probably occurred, and then to prove same.<br /><br />However, neither Jill Stein nor the Clinton campaign have ANY evidence suggesting that vote fraud / tampering occurred in Pennsylvania. Moreover, the deadline for the filing of such a lawsuit is TODAY.<br /><br />So as noted, it's probably not going to happen.<br /><br />JPL17https://www.blogger.com/profile/10649330420822802850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-3949256157637727672016-11-28T10:05:32.314-05:002016-11-28T10:05:32.314-05:00The recount in Wisconsin is reminiscent of the att...The recount in Wisconsin is reminiscent of the attempted recall of Governor Walker. How did that work out for the Democrats? They may try to cast doubt on Trump's legitimacy, but it may likely do the opposite, much like Walker receiving a larger vote in the recall than in the original election.Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03358837451169425289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-88225785195151969672016-11-28T09:01:14.504-05:002016-11-28T09:01:14.504-05:00Fascinating analysis. Thanks.
I'd like to se...Fascinating analysis. Thanks.<br /><br />I'd like to see your comments on "...significant academic literature suggesting that it is unconstitutional for the acting presidency to fall to House and Senate officers..." The current order of succession seems mostly governed by Acts in 1947 and earlier. That's pretty flimsy. The Postmaster General is no longer in line, too, and he keeps delivering my mail, which makes him seem like a good guy, whoever he is.Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-55660777384904282082016-11-28T08:59:12.142-05:002016-11-28T08:59:12.142-05:00Under your scenario of Pence not being confirmed u...Under your scenario of Pence not being confirmed using election procedures per the 12 Amendment, what would stop Trump from waiting until the next Congress and nominating Pence under provisions of the 25th Amendment which just requires simple majorities in both houses and has no quorum requirement? Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09046084137728673575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-20457079227021757942016-11-28T08:54:50.516-05:002016-11-28T08:54:50.516-05:00If this is the strategy then it's just wrong. ...If this is the strategy then it's just wrong. I can't think of a better way to make a bad situation worse than pulling a stunt like this. Is the Constitution going to become a suicide pact in the hands of Democrats? They seem to find loopholes and exploit them, and not for the benefit of the country. <br /><br />It's time to send these people packing and I don't mean by violent means, but at the ballot box. If the Democrats go along with Stein on this, they should be sent packing the next election. Luckily, we don't have far to go. bflat879https://www.blogger.com/profile/14780795603985949690noreply@blogger.com