tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post4457580613322550300..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: President James Buchanan, Chief Justice Roger Taney, Copperheads—and the QuakersHunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-49437764012569766012017-06-03T14:02:45.287-04:002017-06-03T14:02:45.287-04:00Did you know you can shorten your links with AdFly...Did you know you can shorten your links with <b><a href="http://shortener.syntaxlinks.com/r/AdFly" rel="nofollow">AdFly</a></b> and <b>make $$$ for every visit to</b> your shortened urls.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-7875724951790478772016-11-08T02:10:48.973-05:002016-11-08T02:10:48.973-05:00"A small religious group going against the gr..."A small religious group going against the grain by demanding we take up arms for Godly reasons would not be popular here." <br />Please explain, then, the authors of the Battle Hymn of The Republic. Fûzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010613957566817591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-3827541526091647972016-11-02T01:06:21.963-04:002016-11-02T01:06:21.963-04:00Good questions. I would humbly suggest that you mi...Good questions. I would humbly suggest that you might be looking in the wrong place for answers, however -- or at least, you're looking for answers with incorrect questions. I suspect you will find that Americans largely enjoy having both a small group of at-all-costs pacifists *and* leaders who will not flinch from taking us into war when we deem it necessary. Each group in different ways preserve our most ideal national identity. At different times, depending upon the circumstances, our collective narrative wants us to be able to point at each as proof that we are a Good nation.<br /><br />You will note that this dichotomy does not work in reverse. A small religious group going against the grain by demanding we take up arms for Godly reasons would not be popular here. Nor would a leader who refused to defend this country because he or she thought war and violence always wrong.<br /><br />IOW, it's not one or the other we want. It's both.R Tod Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09021375439357269491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-50444367526519957032016-10-31T16:15:59.588-04:002016-10-31T16:15:59.588-04:00I come from a non-Quaker religious minority that i...I come from a non-Quaker religious minority that is also pacifist and refused to serve during the Civil War (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Brethren#Peace)<br /><br />Your observation that perhaps "we can only have reasonable confidence that pacifism is sincere if rooted in religious garb" is certainly believed (literally!) by the Old Order descendants. <br /><br />When I turned 18 and registered for Selective Service the Church made a point of reminding me that Draft boards could only reasonably extend exemptions to people genuinely motivated by conscience. And they could most easily discern that genuine motivation if I upheld the practices of the Church in *all* areas, including wearing the funny clothes recommended by the Church...metapundit.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11729350517271714995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-4345063169159084422016-10-31T02:27:03.304-04:002016-10-31T02:27:03.304-04:00On the surface Pacifism sounds noble but in realit...On the surface Pacifism sounds noble but in reality pacifists in the main rely on others to do the heavy lifting and then preen on how morally superior they are. Pacifism always loses against barbarism and barbarism is either lurking in the background or kicking your door in. TBlakelyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08732805926655873985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-45666631005743163812016-10-30T23:07:51.211-04:002016-10-30T23:07:51.211-04:001: A Quaker who refuses to himself fight is a far ...1: A Quaker who refuses to himself fight is a far different thing than a Quaker who refuses to let anyone else fight.<br /><br />2; A Quaker who refuses to fight regardless of the issue is a far different person from someone who simply refuses to fight when he's politically opposed to that particular fight.<br /><br />I think Buchanan and Taney both come off as "B" to both quesitons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-9123810943256671812016-10-30T22:55:38.594-04:002016-10-30T22:55:38.594-04:00This is a great question. After all, "Honest&...This is a great question. After all, "Honest" Abe Lincoln was willing to get 3/4 of a million of his fellow countrymen killed in order to preserve the Union. Only those of us who have killed and seen men die really know the true cost of war. (I said war, not freedom, because the last war the United States fought for freedom was the Revolution The War of 1812 was brought on largely by US politicians and policies and the Civil War was Lincoln's effort to keep a Union together that at least a third of the country didn't want to maintain.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14809579367409766260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-4463761588403930622016-10-30T14:18:32.279-04:002016-10-30T14:18:32.279-04:00Buchanan chose resistance to secession, after he w...Buchanan chose resistance to secession, after he was dragged into it by Stanton, his AG.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Stanton#In_Buchanan.27s_cabinetMichael S. Kochinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404906249582930111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-12632741795881820222016-10-30T09:50:36.261-04:002016-10-30T09:50:36.261-04:00This doesn't really answer your question. But ...This doesn't really answer your question. But wells do get poisoned. Taney will forever be tarnished with Dred Scott. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.com