tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post115868555331384161..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: Fox to Chase ChristiansHunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1159092557525673922006-09-24T06:09:00.000-04:002006-09-24T06:09:00.000-04:00Perhaps my hang up is with the Grand Canyon refere...<I>Perhaps my hang up is with the Grand Canyon reference itself. It takes the beauty of the rest of the movie - the hunger for meaning, the appreciation of the good - and (for me, anyway) throws it all away with dust-in-the-wind drivel. No?<BR/><BR/>Help me out.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Pleased to, Matt. :-)<BR/><BR/>What is very important is that Danny Glover urges his new (lifelong?) friend that Kline take his own 15-yr old son to the Grand Canyon, so they can both share the experience before it's too late.<BR/><BR/>While all the adults in the movie are making new connections, Glover's character says not to forget about your own.<BR/><BR/>Kline's son has just fallen in love for the first time, and as we all know, the distance between parents and child will now accelerate. (As it should and must.) This was Kline & son's last chance to cement their connection, and Kline makes sure it happens, without a moment to spare.<BR/><BR/>Sweet. Wise and beautiful.<BR/><BR/>Lawrence Kasdan, an accomplished Hollywoodist (<I>Raiders/Lost Ark, The Bodyguard, The Big Chill</I>, wrote the screenplay with his wife Meg, and received an Oscar nomination for it anyway.<BR/><BR/>(Its epigone <I>Crash</I>, which I liked OK, swept the Oscars 14 years later...) <BR/><BR/>And if memory serves, Glover's character likewise brings his ghetto nephew, to whom Glover is the only thing resembling a father, and who have made perhaps the most intense connection of all the characters in the film.<BR/><BR/>After the madness and murder the nephew has witnessed during the movie, his closeup as he peers out at the miracle that is the Grand Canyon is perhaps the most poignant in the final scene. After all the ugliness we've seen him see, he is at last disarmed, and his heart opens. <BR/><BR/>As his grimace transmutes into a smile of joy, we are left with hope. That's enough for me.<BR/><BR/>(Yeah, I cried. Everytime I've watched it.)Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1159065126830761112006-09-23T22:32:00.000-04:002006-09-23T22:32:00.000-04:00No doubt your memory is better than mine on this o...No doubt your memory is better than mine on this one, and I'm definitely with you on the minimalist standard for Hollywood - they'd hack it up if they went for too much anyway.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps my hang up is with the Grand Canyon reference itself. It takes the beauty of the rest of the movie - the hunger for meaning, the appreciation of the good - and (for me, anyway) throws it all away with dust-in-the-wind drivel. No?<BR/><BR/>Help me out. I want to be persuaded that I'm wrong here, because this movie does have its following. It's been a while and I was probably a little less gracious back then.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1159037310969208382006-09-23T14:48:00.000-04:002006-09-23T14:48:00.000-04:00I don't ask much from the popular culture these da...I don't ask much from the popular culture these days, Matt. What I got from the film is what Mary McDonnell's character says, that there are miracles right in front of us every day if we only have the eyes to see them. This belief in Providence, say along the lines of the Founders' deism, is largely gone from the (post?)modern vibe, which sees life as a series of chaotic coincidences. <BR/><BR/>That <I>Grand Canyon's</I> people also see a need to respond to the miracles, to grow them, as it were, is even a touch more affirmative.<BR/><BR/>I'll take it.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158955995896370532006-09-22T16:13:00.000-04:002006-09-22T16:13:00.000-04:00I'm not so sure about all the love here for Grand ...I'm not so sure about all the love here for <I>Grand Canyon</I>. Are you sure they snuck God into that movie?<BR/><BR/>I remember it more as a karma flick along the lines of the <A HREF="http://reformclub.blogspot.com/2006/08/gratitude-sans-god.html" REL="nofollow">Gratitude Sans God</A> post from Mr. Simpson a while back. You know, you might as well be grateful to the universe (you insignificant speck of dust), because you're just going to go nuts otherwise.<BR/><BR/>But maybe I missed something.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158936791106136172006-09-22T10:53:00.000-04:002006-09-22T10:53:00.000-04:00I, too, thought Grand Canyon a very good and under...I, too, thought <I>Grand Canyon</I> a very good and underrated film, and I agree that a religious message underlies the story. I thought the same of <I>Magnolia,</I> a very fine film that takes a similar approach but with a bit more mystery and symbolism.S. T. Karnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05971214612730402709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158907046811679302006-09-22T02:37:00.000-04:002006-09-22T02:37:00.000-04:00A very interesting discussion, y'all.I've had Babe...A very interesting discussion, y'all.<BR/><BR/>I've had <I>Babette's Feast</I> in front of me as a cable selection many times, and even seen that it gets 3 or 4 stars.<BR/><BR/>The capsule just made it seem boring.<BR/><BR/>I dunno if messages like Kathy's will put it out there, but it's worth a shot. From what I understand of cinema history, both <I>The Wizard of OZ</I> and <I>It's a Wonderful Life</I> stiffed at the boxoffice but have become part of our cultural canon by word of mouth and a bit of falling into the public domain.<BR/><BR/>Please let me put in a plug here for Larry & Meg Kasdan's <I>Grand Canyon</I>, which I put on frequently not like a movie, but like a favorite record, over and over again. I never get tired of it.<BR/><BR/>It's about Los Angeles and how we survive and thrive here. <BR/><BR/>That there is a God who loves us and and all His children, and sends us miracles every day of our lives if we just have the sense to see them, is enough to get me through any day. I think about it often. It's a great entertainment, too, with Kevin Kline sharing the lead with Danny Glover, a breathtakingly sexy Alfre Woodard, and astounding early performances by Mary-Louise Parker and Jeremy Sisto.<BR/><BR/>Ace and enhancing score by James Newton Howard. <BR/><BR/>It's a lot like <I>Crash</I> except it's a truer and more poetic account of who we are. I liked <I>Crash</I>, but it's an imitation of <I>Grand Canyon</I> (which came first), if you've seen 'em both. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Didn't mean to hijack the thread. But it's one of the wife & my favorites of all time. Woulda won Oscars like <I>Crash</I>, but it was too far ahead of its time. <BR/><BR/>Just got caught up in the enthusiasm for movies that make you feel even more glad to be alive.<BR/>Thx, ST.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158767950245048552006-09-20T11:59:00.000-04:002006-09-20T11:59:00.000-04:00Michael,It certainly would not be the first time I...Michael,<BR/><BR/>It certainly would not be the first time I had confused my own wishful thinking for a successful mass media strategy. Most ordinary Catholics would probably say films of Michael O'Brien's "Children of the Last Days" novels would make successful films and they might very well be right; myself, I can't stand them -- they're utter rubbish. (I also can't stand O'Brien because he's a prominent "Harry Potter is the work of the devil" scold.)Kathy Hutchinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851875819094837357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158759928568360262006-09-20T09:45:00.000-04:002006-09-20T09:45:00.000-04:00Babette's Feast is a terrific film and indeed a gr...<I>Babette's Feast</I> is a terrific film and indeed a great model for what a Christian film can be. As I wrote in my Weekly Standard piece,<BR/><BR/>"Christian art need not be explicitly religious in content--which should be an obvious point but has been largely underappreciated in contemporary believers' encounters with the arts:<BR/><BR/> "A television show doesn't need to have an angel in the cast to be about mercy. A film doesn't have to quote Scripture to put the Gospel in people's hearts. If the world will know us by our fruits, then by our cop shows and romantic comedies and thrillers they can know us too. I want to write so that the Good News is so entwined in the muscle of what I am writing that it can't be stripped away, can't be disregarded."<BR/><BR/>(Note: The second paragraph in the quote is a quotation from the book under review.)<BR/><BR/>Matt is right to point out that Christians shouldn't look to pop culture, or any culture, for endorsement of their beliefs. As Kathy's mention of <I>Babette's Feast</I> makes clear, the key is for Christians both as art producers and as audiences simply to be Christian in the choices that they make. The rest will follow.S. T. Karnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05971214612730402709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158759454058590712006-09-20T09:37:00.000-04:002006-09-20T09:37:00.000-04:00The best way for Jewïsh folks to groove, listen to...The best way for Jewïsh folks to groove, listen to moi's<BR/>"The Awful Facts."<BR/><BR/>Just say <BR/><B>Amen</B>hotep IV.<BR/><BR/>Stay on Groovin' <BR/>(Hïndus - moi's "Krispy Krishna")<BR/>Safari,<BR/>TORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03037704048671379868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158758322395561052006-09-20T09:18:00.000-04:002006-09-20T09:18:00.000-04:00Best way for Christiés to groove is to listen to m...Best way for Christiés to groove is to listen to moi's<BR/>"Jesus Christ (<I>is the</I>) AntiChrist."<BR/><BR/>Stay on Groovin' Safari,<BR/>TORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03037704048671379868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1158725992040026832006-09-20T00:19:00.000-04:002006-09-20T00:19:00.000-04:00I think the main mistake Hollywood is prone to mak...I think the main mistake Hollywood is prone to make in courting Christians is to think that a "Christian" film is one in which the characters explicitly embrace Christ, and if that is done, the literary value of the project is irrelevant. For example: <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babette's_Feast" REL="nofollow">Babette's Feast</A> is a cult favorite among Catholics my age, even though there is nothing explicitly Catholic, or even Christian, about the plot. But we are smart enough to pick up on the very Catholic imagery of Babette's sacrifice of her lottery winnings to give the village a sumptuous repast as an image and metaphor for the Eucharist. If Fox is intelligent enough to develop projects that will tap into the rich imagination of Christians, they will succeed. If they give us warmed over Mitford Chronicles, they'll fall on their butts.<BR/><BR/>Here's another idea for Fox: acquire the rights to <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Chess-Garden-Brooks-Hansen/dp/1573225630" REL="nofollow">The Chess Garden</A>, a novel that manages to condense an exploration of the balance between Athens and Jerusalem into a series of letters home to Dayton Ohio. Although it might be too dense for a movie, it would make a delicious miniseries.Kathy Hutchinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851875819094837357noreply@blogger.com