tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post113588525855047548..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: Backing Up the Family Breakdown and Poverty ConnectionHunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-799151748993117162010-03-02T13:12:11.768-05:002010-03-02T13:12:11.768-05:00In a "Summary of Comments Made During the Whi...In a "Summary of Comments Made During the White House Briefing on the Family," Dr. James Dobson made this comment about the family. "A family is not a collection of individuals who happen to live at the same address. They are people who share an intimate and complex connection with one another, being related by marriage, birth or adoption. Together they form something larger and more significant that the contribution of each person taken singly. That association, locked together by love and lifelong commitment, must have a secure place in the American legal structure. To continue to undermine its foundations and erode its authority is to destroy the very fabric of American life."<br /><br /><br />bye<br /><a href="http://www.learnsexualhealth.com/" rel="nofollow">buy cialis</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10864218151485401918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-17102610015435973022010-03-02T13:09:15.650-05:002010-03-02T13:09:15.650-05:00The functionalist theory sees the norm of family a...The functionalist theory sees the norm of family as "one husband<br />who is the father, one wife who is mother, and the children." Anything other than this ideal is a deviation from the normalcy of values. "According to this point of view, the family is a basic unit of society that serves the purposes of socializing the young, regulating sexual activity and procreation, providing physical care for family members, and giving psychological support and emotional security to individuals.<br />bye<br /><br /><a href="http://www.learnsexualhealth.com/" rel="nofollow">cialis online</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10864218151485401918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136461950511819742006-01-05T06:52:00.000-05:002006-01-05T06:52:00.000-05:00"The AEI is a bunch of losers."I find this amusing..."The AEI is a bunch of losers."<BR/><BR/>I find this amusing from the fellow who is constantly complaining about inadequately backed up statements.<BR/><BR/>I still think you've got a tic. I'll keep topping your last post and we'll see if we can get to 150!Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136413423158929982006-01-04T17:23:00.000-05:002006-01-04T17:23:00.000-05:00Matt, I have a theory that T-man has a tic requiri...Matt, I have a theory that T-man has a tic requiring him to have the last post in any thread in which he participates. He'll keep talking whether or not there is anything to say.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136412585467751102006-01-04T17:09:00.000-05:002006-01-04T17:09:00.000-05:00Reread that quote. It is absolutely "Sowell says s...<I>Reread that quote. It is absolutely "Sowell says so." There is not one fact attributed except that Sowell has made a case.</I><BR/><BR/>And in the next paragraph Hunter provides a summary riff. If you had wanted more specifics (Lord, only knows why - Hunter practically wrote a book in the original post), you could have asked...but wait, you didn't - you just dismissed Sowell out of hand.<BR/><BR/><I>I did explain why he was a crank. He is an economist. That's the first strike against him since we are discussin is not economic theory but sociology.</I><BR/><BR/>Which makes him exceedingly well qualified to address economic issues, like <I>poverty</I>.<BR/><BR/><I>Second strike because he cannot be trusted to be impartial.</I><BR/><BR/>Give me a break. Anyone with a thought (an economic or sociological theory) is a partisan.<BR/><BR/><I>Lastly he boasts of being associated with a bunch of people who frankly make Bush look a grade A genius in comparison.</I><BR/><BR/>A quick scroll through the list of fellows puts him in good company.<BR/><BR/><I>Strike three. Game set match. The appeal to Authority is overruled on grounds of being laughable.</I><BR/><BR/>Let's see, you've still said nothing about any of Sowell's actual work - ever. But whatever works for you.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136402930937468942006-01-04T14:28:00.000-05:002006-01-04T14:28:00.000-05:00I'm sorry Matt but Hunter's argument was "Sowell s...<I>I'm sorry Matt but Hunter's argument was "Sowell says so!"</I><BR/><BR/>No it wasn't. He referenced a very well-known author, who's thoughts on the subject are readily accessible and then provided an off-the-cuff summary of his work. If you disagree with or unclear about the reference, all you have to do is explain why Sowell is a crank (preferably on grounds other than that he's an economist) or ask for a more specific citation.<BR/><BR/>Sowell is on good terms over here until proven otherwise. Consider where you are, the burden is on you to provide reasons for dismissing well-respected sources.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136399388927277842006-01-04T13:29:00.000-05:002006-01-04T13:29:00.000-05:00I recognize what the original argument was, but in...I recognize what the original argument was, but in the course of that argument you questioned other assertions, which I chose to answer with a slew of stats painstakingly compiled a couple of years ago.<BR/><BR/>On the matter of welfare damaging nuclear families, particularly in the black community, there are many books to make the case. Myron Magnet's "The Dream and the Nightmare," Olasky's "The Tragedy of American Compassion," and "Losing Ground" by Charles Murray. I imagine there are scores more.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136363220605235372006-01-04T03:27:00.000-05:002006-01-04T03:27:00.000-05:00All your sources are unreliable. What else you got...<I>All your sources are unreliable. What else you got?</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, well. I tried. It would be interesting if it weren't so predictible.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136350170104875202006-01-03T23:49:00.000-05:002006-01-03T23:49:00.000-05:00"Meaning?"Meaning, you got pounded on this one. T..."Meaning?"<BR/><BR/>Meaning, you got pounded on this one. The statistics offered show beyond doubt that intact families are better for children in a wide variety of ways that go beyond the merely economic. You can pretend not to see the full implications or to be confused by claims clearly made, but it won't change the end result.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136341613583915902006-01-03T21:26:00.000-05:002006-01-03T21:26:00.000-05:00Let me repeat: Hudson Institute. AEI.You left out ...<I>Let me repeat: Hudson Institute. AEI.</I><BR/><BR/>You left out Stanford, UCLA, Brandeis and Cornell, not to mention numerous other bona fides.<BR/><BR/>You're on the wrong blog site to dismiss Sowell out of hand, Tlaloc...this is a 'road game' for you. Make a real argument.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1136332526112655072006-01-03T18:55:00.000-05:002006-01-03T18:55:00.000-05:00Thomas Sowell is perfectly credible. Certainly as...Thomas Sowell is perfectly credible. Certainly as credible as Paul Krugman.<BR/><BR/>My contentions via the sociological stats were not limited to the question of two incomes versus one. You are once again purposefully reading the statements made in the light most favorable to your desired case.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135953734043014492005-12-30T09:42:00.000-05:002005-12-30T09:42:00.000-05:00Thomas Sowell (and others) have convincingly made ...Thomas Sowell (and others) have convincingly made the case that the War on Poverty absolutely destroyed the black nuclear family among the lower classes and froze many people in a nigh inescapable cycle of poverty. <BR/><BR/>Mom has kids out of wedlock. Dad is non-existent. She collects welfare and leads a not very fun life with help from Grandma. Transitional males may visit the household from time to time. Overall, not a very conducive environment for thriving children who will move on to better things.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135949094321220812005-12-30T08:24:00.000-05:002005-12-30T08:24:00.000-05:00Connie, I was addressing Tlaloc. In an earlier se...Connie, I was addressing Tlaloc. In an earlier set of comments, I sensed pushback from one of the contestants on my assertions about family breakdown and poverty. Felt the need to establish the connection.<BR/><BR/>The original debate was over the death penalty and racism. It spilled into why there are differences between the races in various demographic areas. I eventually contended that the higher degree of family breakdown or non-family formation in the African-American community was a (not the only) reason why large segments of that group continue to fail to thrive. I also claimed we would see the same thing among whites in the same boat.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135912485319895452005-12-29T22:14:00.000-05:002005-12-29T22:14:00.000-05:00I frankly don't know what, if any, social patholog...I frankly don't know what, if any, social pathologies are associated with abortion. I've heard those who abort are more likely to physically abuse their kids, but that could be B.S.. I know that on occasions when I've testified before legislative committees, I heard testimonies from women who had abortions and it was enough to make you weep. I'm never going to forget the African-American woman who talked about having dreams of her unborn son coming to her and asking her why she killed him. <BR/><BR/>Setting that aside, I'd argue that my stats are not an argument for abortion because killing innocents is an unacceptable way of solving problems. The better path, morally speaking, would be to encourage a cultur of sex and reproduction within marriage. It's really not so hard. We had something quite similar a few decades ago.<BR/><BR/>And for those who violated it, we had a thing called a shotgun marriage.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135899112144553102005-12-29T18:31:00.000-05:002005-12-29T18:31:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135897323181174802005-12-29T18:02:00.000-05:002005-12-29T18:02:00.000-05:00Thanks for providing the facts on this issue, Hunt...Thanks for providing the facts on this issue, Hunter.S. T. Karnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05971214612730402709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135890342853000642005-12-29T16:05:00.000-05:002005-12-29T16:05:00.000-05:00You took Tlaloc's line! Oh, you bad boy. Why I O...You took Tlaloc's line! Oh, you bad boy. Why I OUGHTTA POUND YOU!Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1135888015218873782005-12-29T15:26:00.000-05:002005-12-29T15:26:00.000-05:00All your sources are unreliable. What else you go...All your sources are unreliable. What else you got?Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com