tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post115668728889006848..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: The Co-Evolution QuadrennialHunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156811268918156602006-08-28T20:27:00.000-04:002006-08-28T20:27:00.000-04:00Six year old data helps give you some perspective ...Six year old data helps give you some perspective on the number of likely voters on both sides of the aisle. Primaries are not legitimate samples of the real voting population. Primaries are why Presidential candidates make visits to Bob Jones University and motivated freak-shows can become Congressmen.<BR/><BR/><I>So, instead of honoring the democratic process, he abrogates it.</I><BR/><BR/>Good grief.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156800391000417282006-08-28T17:26:00.000-04:002006-08-28T17:26:00.000-04:00I disagree that an officeholder represents only hi...I disagree that an officeholder represents only his party.<BR/><BR/>In Lieberman's case especially: in his 2000 senate race, he won 86% of the Republican vote.<BR/><BR/>You could look it up. No, <A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14392442" REL="nofollow">here</A>, I'll save you the trouble.<BR/><BR/>The Democrats have every right to nominate whomever they want. And take the consequences.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156799826922096062006-08-28T17:17:00.000-04:002006-08-28T17:17:00.000-04:00And that's fine, as far as it goes. If the Republi...And that's fine, as far as it goes. If the Republican voters feel like he's doing a fine job and want to support him, and enough Democratic voters do, then the process works.<BR/><BR/>But then, really, it's the process that all the critics are complaining about. Joe Lieberman took a job in which he had to abide by a certain process in which to keep it. His constituents - his shareholders, if you will - decided he'd stopped doing a good job and used that process to fire him. So, instead of honoring the democratic process, he abrogates it. Personally, I find that to be the act of an entrenched aristocrat and not a patriot.<BR/><BR/>And Matt, using six year old electoral numbers to make your argument borders on the dumb.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156798754945131052006-08-28T16:59:00.000-04:002006-08-28T16:59:00.000-04:00Lieberman received 829,000 votes in 2000 (out of 1...Lieberman received 829,000 <A HREF="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/external/pre-election/profilesstates/CT.html?SITE=OKTULELN&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT" REL="nofollow">votes</A> in 2000 (out of 1,300,000). Lamont beat him by 10,000 out of a total of 280,000 votes.<BR/><BR/>The math really isn't all that difficult, even the hard left should have been able to figure this one out. Lamont is toast.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156797897215825202006-08-28T16:44:00.000-04:002006-08-28T16:44:00.000-04:00Actually, if and when Lieberman wins the general e...Actually, if and when Lieberman wins the general election, it will indeed prove he does represent his constituents.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156795702662019672006-08-28T16:08:00.000-04:002006-08-28T16:08:00.000-04:00The one thing most commentary on the Lieberman los...The one thing most commentary on the Lieberman loss seems to - quite deliberately - gloss over is that Lieberman never would of lost if the majority of his constituents felt he had been doing his job - representing his constituents.<BR/><BR/>More details - including the completely neglected Republican version from Michigan - <A HREF="http://lospunditos.blogspot.com/2006/08/finally.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, <A HREF="http://lospunditos.blogspot.com/2006/08/ideological-blasphemy.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, and <A HREF="http://lospunditos.blogspot.com/2006/08/primary-colors.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156738267265656252006-08-28T00:11:00.000-04:002006-08-28T00:11:00.000-04:00This was really a miscalculation by the Soros/Netr...This was really a miscalculation by the Soros/Netroots crowd; they did not need to risk defeat here. The fact that they control virtually all the money under the new campaign finance reform structure combined with their internet prowess make them the mountain that Dem pols have to come to.<BR/><BR/>So it remains a mystery as to why they went after Lieberman – was one ‘out of line’ voice that important. Perhaps they were just idealists following their hearts. Or perhaps the lure of fulfilling their fantasies as kingmakers got the best of them. Either way, they've just provided Team Clinton with enough ammunition to re-marginalize the extreme Left.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156721843358202902006-08-27T19:37:00.000-04:002006-08-27T19:37:00.000-04:00Glad to see you blogging here, Francois! Since I ...Glad to see you blogging here, Francois! Since I went into TRC retirement, Mr. Van Dyke has really done a great job restocking the shelves!Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1156706342484932892006-08-27T15:19:00.000-04:002006-08-27T15:19:00.000-04:00Great first effort here, Fran, and congratulations...Great first effort here, Fran, and congratulations again. As for the fury of the netroots, well, that was to be expected, wasnt it? Once an election campaign gets beyond the primary phase, then you have to let everyone vote, even icky Republicans, and that tends to mess up the good polling numbers you've enjoyed up to this point. I think what happened in Connecticut is that the Lamont people thought they could demonize Lieberman in the primary and then he would fall on his sword for the party afterwards, leaving Lamont to run against a no-name Republican. What is mindboggling, to say the least, is that these peoplea actually expect party loyalty from a man they've systematically and viciously smeared since the beginning of this election campaign, and it is disquieting to see their vile and childish temper tantrums now that it is clear that Lieberman will not simply roll over and play dead for them. These people may be Democrats, but they are not democrats; they do not want to govern, they want power, which is not exactly the same thing.Akakyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00187471562516416268noreply@blogger.com