tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post113935168785843473..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: I'm a Black MAN and I Could Never be a VeteRAN.Hunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139426358594123862006-02-08T14:19:00.000-05:002006-02-08T14:19:00.000-05:00Yes, James, I realized when I heard it again I som...Yes, James, I realized when I heard it again I somewhat misquoted him. What he actually said was far more confused and demagogic.<BR/><BR/>My apology.<BR/><BR/>This exchange from an interview is probative:<BR/><BR/><I>YORUBA RICHEN: You mention Rosa Parks and the move to end segregation in transportation, and you're a veteran of these movements. How does this (his support for "Camp Cindy" or whatever they called it) fit into that continuum of civil rights struggle? <BR/><BR/>REV. JOSEPH LOWERY: Well, I think it ties peace and justice. It ties love and justice. It ties faith and love. And we talk about faith-based ministries and movements. There can be no authentic faith without grounding in love. The Bible makes it clear that though I have faith to move mountains and have not love, I'm nothing, though I have faith to solve all mysteries and don't have love. And love is inclusive, love embraces justice, and so the movement in the 1950s against segregation for justice is very much akin to the movement for peace now and for justice, because without, as the young folks say, no justice, no peace.</I><BR/><BR/>What Billy Madison's teacher said applies here...Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139425335147233892006-02-08T14:02:00.000-05:002006-02-08T14:02:00.000-05:00"But no way Coretta King knew there were no WMDs, ..."But no way Coretta King knew there were no WMDs, as asserted by (I assume) Rev. Lowery."<BR/><BR/>That's not what he said at all. He said, "Just as we knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, we know that there are still weapons of misdirection."<BR/><BR/>He was making an allusion based on current events. Jeez.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139417836887930192006-02-08T11:57:00.000-05:002006-02-08T11:57:00.000-05:00Yes Kennedy approved the tap but it was utterly Ho...<I>Yes Kennedy approved the tap but it was utterly Hoover's brainchild.</I><BR/><BR/>Hey, maybe Ashcroft will be able to use that one someday. I didn't want to sign it, but geez, Louie said I had to.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139415403404865412006-02-08T11:16:00.000-05:002006-02-08T11:16:00.000-05:00As Tom already mentioned in a comment to another p...As Tom already mentioned in a comment to another post, the truth of the matter has been well-attested. RFK wiretapped King.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139374892931760802006-02-08T00:01:00.000-05:002006-02-08T00:01:00.000-05:00Wasn't it J. Edgar Hoover who tapped MLK's phone? ...Wasn't it J. Edgar Hoover who tapped MLK's phone? I don't recall any role for the Kennedy's in that episode.Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139367220603212992006-02-07T21:53:00.000-05:002006-02-07T21:53:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139365501596490372006-02-07T21:25:00.000-05:002006-02-07T21:25:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139360363560059322006-02-07T19:59:00.000-05:002006-02-07T19:59:00.000-05:00Before Mr. Baker is accused of any oversensitivity...Before Mr. Baker is accused of any oversensitivity, let's wait until the actual footage gets around. (Conservative radio is playing the hell out of the audio. It's bad, and so is the extended applause used to embarrass the president.)<BR/><BR/>Now in fairness, I think Dr. King would have been opposed to the Iraq War, and perhaps a mention might have been in order, with the speaker quieting the long applause. But no way Coretta King <I>knew</I> there were no WMDs, as asserted by (I assume) Rev. Lowery.<BR/><BR/>Nor is Jimmy Carter's assertion that there was a racial component to the Katrina response supported by the facts.<BR/><BR/>Mrs. King had ample opportunity to speak on these issues herself. That her funeral was hijacked to condemn, not inspire, was a missed opportunity for our entire nation.<BR/><BR/>(If there's a Democrat out there who's actually interested in winning the next election, a uniter not a divider, this is a Sister Soulja moment...)Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139360258497939672006-02-07T19:57:00.000-05:002006-02-07T19:57:00.000-05:00James, I just told you that I heard the speeches o...James, I just told you that I heard the speeches on the radio.<BR/><BR/>As to the other issue of whether Bush is some kind of repudiation of everything CSK stood for, that's a joke. For that to be true, Bush would have to be in favor of repealing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which is of course, the key legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. <BR/><BR/>By the way, he ain't in favor of that. We could rehearse the statistics again and discover that the GOP voted for that act in much higher proportionate numbers than did the Democrats.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139358547239146212006-02-07T19:29:00.000-05:002006-02-07T19:29:00.000-05:00It was as Drudge reported.As Drudge reports it, an...<I>It was as Drudge reported.</I><BR/><BR/>As Drudge reports it, and you link to, it still doesn't sound anything like the way to portray it. I'm sorry, Hunter, but I think you're, at best, engaging in a case of mild projection.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139356886310364642006-02-07T19:01:00.000-05:002006-02-07T19:01:00.000-05:00I heard it on the radio, James. It was as Drudge ...I heard it on the radio, James. It was as Drudge reported.<BR/><BR/>There are places where this sort of thing is okay and even expected. Political conventions are a good example. <BR/><BR/>But at the funeral of an individual universally respected? No. <BR/><BR/>We're looking at a complete lack of civility. I don't know Lowery from Adam, but I'm surprised at this from Jimmy Carter. I suppose I shouldn't be by now.Hunter Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139356317830248052006-02-07T18:51:00.000-05:002006-02-07T18:51:00.000-05:00You're right James ... it is entirely possible tha...You're right James ... it is entirely possible that none of the quotes were meant for Bush directly.Barry Vanhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04006891046091646808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139356083703719172006-02-07T18:48:00.000-05:002006-02-07T18:48:00.000-05:00"Its pretty clear (from Drudge)..."Yeah, and there..."Its pretty clear (from Drudge)..."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, and therein lies the problem. Drudge is a gossip-columnist of the most puerile sort, not a reporter.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139355993329534422006-02-07T18:46:00.000-05:002006-02-07T18:46:00.000-05:00Hunter, even Drudge doesn't make it out to be as d...Hunter, even Drudge doesn't make it out to be as dire as you do. Carter never even obliquely mentioned President Bush. The worst you can say about Carter's remarks is that he was pointing out that the old adage, <I>"Le plus ce change, le plus ce meme chose"</I> is still <I>apropos</I>.<BR/><BR/>From what Drudge "reports," Lowery was taking a swipe at <I>all</I> the presidents in attendance. Using current events to demonstrate the relevance of the decedent's legacy to today isn't inappropriate just because one of the architects happens to be present.<BR/><BR/>It's rather too easy to insert words into the mouthes of the dead for you to be drawing the conclusions you do.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139355685424901572006-02-07T18:41:00.000-05:002006-02-07T18:41:00.000-05:00Its pretty clear (from Drudge) that the crowd hear...Its pretty clear (from Drudge) that the crowd heard what it wanted to hear. That said, the rabid hatred for another human on display at a funeral is, well, crass at best.<BR/><BR/>The actions of the "civil rights" crowd should not have come as a surprise to anyone. Not sure why Bush went, altho he was in somewhat of a catch-22.Barry Vanhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04006891046091646808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1139353288165991202006-02-07T18:01:00.000-05:002006-02-07T18:01:00.000-05:00In attempting to recapture some long-lost relevanc...In attempting to recapture some long-lost relevance, Rev. Lowery and former president Carter <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark" REL="nofollow">"jumped the shark."</A>Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com