tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post113701808557265308..comments2024-03-06T03:15:58.539-05:00Comments on <b>THE NEW REFORM CLUB</b>: How Media Bias WorksHunter Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14961831404331998743noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137371514861022412006-01-15T19:31:00.000-05:002006-01-15T19:31:00.000-05:00Plen-T-plaint.Plen-T-plaint.Devanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08039407801743458960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137163181801300732006-01-13T09:39:00.000-05:002006-01-13T09:39:00.000-05:00Lately, I am more troubled by my lefty friends' re...<I>Lately, I am more troubled by my lefty friends' reliance on the MSM and their own echo chamber...</I><BR/><BR/>This is what I'm talking about when I say that it doesn't matter. People who show any political awareness at all are now gravitating to the media that is in line with their worldview. And I'm OK with that to the extent that no one tries to pass their stuff off as hyper-neutral, or confuse reporting with commentary.<BR/><BR/><I>Fortunately, most of the world has figured out how to adjust to this - so it doesn't matter.</I><BR/><BR/>I may have overdone it a bit here - probably my subconscious giving Mark Steyn a little too much credit - and should have said 'most of the country'.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137112249084818392006-01-12T19:30:00.000-05:002006-01-12T19:30:00.000-05:00The Republicans' success on Capitol Hill suggests ...The Republicans' success on Capitol Hill suggests that's true, Mr. Huisman, but it should not be taken for granted. Certainly talk radio and the mighty righty blogosphere provide a counterbalance, but it requires our eternal vigilance.<BR/><BR/>It's quite possible that had Dan Rather's phony documents not been unmasked by the blogosphere, John Kerry would be president.<BR/><BR/>Lately, I am more troubled by my lefty friends' reliance on the MSM and their own echo chamber, that has inflamed them to the point that they perhaps no longer even recognize the other side of the story when confronted with it, as illustrated in this very thread.<BR/><BR/>As for the rest of the world, if my own friends in England are any indication, I must heartily disagree. By their own admission (and many are themselves on the left), they hear little of any conservative thought. Their press is near-monolithic from the BBC on down---besides the <I>Torygraph</I>, which few read, they have little in the way of counterbalancing New Media, either on radio or on the internet.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137108892832370492006-01-12T18:34:00.000-05:002006-01-12T18:34:00.000-05:00Haven't you ever stopped and thought how interesti...<I>Haven't you ever stopped and thought how interesting it is that both camps - liberal and conservative - feel that there is bias against them in the media, that the media doesn't give them a fair shake?</I><BR/><BR/>To be honest, none of this bias stuff is all that interesting - but anyone who's ever watched a sporting event knows that the good coaches 'work' the refs, no matter which way the calls are going.<BR/><BR/><I>There's an old adage: If no one's happy with me, I'm doing my job right.</I><BR/><BR/>Or it could just mean that you're really, really bad.<BR/><BR/>As far as the methodology in the research goes, I'm not all that crazy about it - but it's not the worst thing I've ever seen.<BR/><BR/>At the end of the day, the ratio of Dems/Reps in the MSM is 9:1. I don't care how good your journalistic ethics are, you're going to slant a little. Fortunately, most of the world has figured out how to adjust to this - so it doesn't matter.Matt Huismanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972662349345412127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137104457130059502006-01-12T17:20:00.000-05:002006-01-12T17:20:00.000-05:00Yes, I did parse "assertion," which in my opinion,...Yes, I did parse "assertion," which in my opinion, carries a certain pejorativeness. But I left it as a side point.<BR/><BR/>The central thesis, and the one that the study in question uses as its methodology, is that outside "experts" are (and indeed should be) given more weight than the litigants, and some sort of balance appears to be wanting.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137103773900077092006-01-12T17:09:00.000-05:002006-01-12T17:09:00.000-05:00You're parsing between "assertions" and "conclusio...You're parsing between "assertions" and "conclusions." You are also taking "balance" so far out of actual journalism context so as to be unrecognizable. Balance used to mean that you'd accept and print quotes from both sides that were refutably lies just because you were afraid of appearing partisan. The Washington Post article in question does a fine job of conveying information.<BR/><BR/>Haven't you ever stopped and thought how interesting it is that both camps - liberal and conservative - feel that there is bias against them in the media, that the media doesn't give them a fair shake? There's an old adage: If no one's happy with me, I'm doing my job right. In the case of the media - and especially in light of all the whingeing you do - I'd say they're doing pretty well. Not perfect, of course, because who is? Especially when your media outlet is owned by a corporation with diverse interests and exercises editorial control? But that's an entirely different problem from the one you and most other liberal and conservative bloggers try to construct out of whole cloth.<BR/><BR/>Beware the green-eyed monster, Tom.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137099536079322892006-01-12T15:58:00.000-05:002006-01-12T15:58:00.000-05:00Gee, that's vague to the point of unhelpfulness, J...Gee, that's vague to the point of unhelpfulness, James.<BR/><BR/>Don't you agree that outside "experts" are given more weight than the litigants themselves?Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137087723417692162006-01-12T12:42:00.000-05:002006-01-12T12:42:00.000-05:00Tom, this is parsing and semanticism of the worst ...Tom, this is parsing and semanticism of the worst kind.James F. Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747033407956667363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137042169129661182006-01-12T00:02:00.000-05:002006-01-12T00:02:00.000-05:00You haven't even got near my argument. There are a...You haven't even got near my argument. There are always witnesses for the defense.<BR/><BR/>You already unintentionally proved my point and it's clear you don't even see how. That should be more disconcerting to you than it is to me.<BR/><BR/>I was really hoping that you were just foolin'. That would have been clever.<BR/><BR/>Your attempt to embarrass Dr. Beckwith insults your intelligence, not his. His segue is quite relevant. Damn straight, FJB. Always a delight to hear from you.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137026377378674972006-01-11T19:39:00.000-05:002006-01-11T19:39:00.000-05:00The purpose of the 4th amendment is to make sure t...The purpose of the 4th amendment is to make sure that the enemies of America are allowed an adequate amount of time to prepare their weapons of mass destruction in order to obliterate us. We all may very well wind up dead at the end of the day, but at least we can rest easy knowing that no one's privacy rights were violated. This is just as the Founder's would have wanted it: a nation of corpses who can consume as much pornography as they want. God bless America. <BR/><BR/>(The above is heavy sarcasm)Francis Beckwithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03765632359220115150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8776899.post-1137025050419937462006-01-11T19:17:00.000-05:002006-01-11T19:17:00.000-05:00Thanks for proving my point, and the old saw about...Thanks for proving my point, and the old saw about lefty open-mindedness---always willing to look at both sides of the same side.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com