GOD & MAN IN THE 21ST CENTURY
What an absolute horror story. I pray that Mr. Hayes does not allow this experience to break his spirit, although I feel certain that it is being sorely tested.Sadly, I had a friend who lost his faith when the funding was suddenly pulled from his facility to treat teenage runaways. It is a very tragic tale, and I hesitate to recite it here in detail, but he was a person who had been dedicated to saving people from the most horrible fates - including masochistic prostitution in clubs for sadistic homosexuals -and the sense of abandonment by God was too keen for him to sustain.Of course, it was human beings who made the decision, but he looked past them to the hand of God, just as he had when human beings earlier made the determination to establish the funding.
You can read more about the homeless facility that is being displaced here. What is particularly shameful is that Mr. Hayes seems to have put some thought into the design of the village; even if they find another site and start up again, they will have lost that aspect of community. (Not that the domes are my cup of tea, mind you -- they look like giant Dogloos. But what do I know? My knowledge of efficient affordable construction techniques would fit on the point of a nail.)
I'm sorry but I'm getting a kind of "boy who cries wolf" feeling.Remember a couple months ago when you guys made a huge uproar about the black politico who got pelted with oreos and then it turned out the story was completely made up? (hint- they talked to the people who ran the venue where supposedly a mountain of oreos were heaped upon the poor guy and oddly not one of the employees remember that happening or remember cleaning up such a mess).
Guess we'll wait and see, T.
Out of curiosity, just why is it we hear no outrage about this from the same people who carried on so about Mrs. Schiavo? Here was a woman being removed from lifesupport not because she wished to die but because nobody would pay for it. And the religious right?*crickets chirp*This woman was old, poor, and black. So which of those is it that makes you care less?
Right, Tlaloc. The religious right doesn't care because this story got SO MUCH publicity. We were all watching and waiting for the plug to be pulled, JUST LIKE WITH TERRI SCHIAVO.Mr. T, if you are so far gone as to think that the compassion of right-to-life advocates is limited by considerations of race or income, you are even more seriously mistaken than usual.
"Right, Tlaloc. The religious right doesn't care because this story got SO MUCH publicity."The problem with that argument, Hunter, is that it was the religious right itself that hyped the Schiavo case. They chose to then, and not now. Surely that strikes you as a tad odd, doesn't it?I mean what could be a clearer case for the "culture of life" to win than one in which the only people who want the plug pulled are the HMOs?"Mr. T, if you are so far gone as to think that the compassion of right-to-life advocates is limited by considerations of race or income, you are even more seriously mistaken than usual."Hey, I just point out the inconsistency, if you have no good excuse for it that's hardly my fault now is it?Isn't it just possible that the dobsons and reeds of the world know that this case won't bring out republican voters and thats precisely why they never gave it publicity? I'm willing to entertain other theories if you have them.
Yeah, the other theory is -- NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT. Pretty good theory. The Schiavo family would have been in the same boat publicity-wise, but they savvily got talk radio hosts on board with their streaming video on the web. The poor lady in Houston didn't have anybody doing that for her. I think it is criminally nasty that you really seem to believe what you have said so far about this.
"Yeah, the other theory is -- NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT. Pretty good theory."It would be if I hadn't already shot it down. You really think that this was a secret? Such a secret that it was in news articles? You honestly want me to buy that nobody in the monolithic religious right reads Slate? I mean it's not exactly an obscure news source now is it? And furthermore the story was out there even before the article in Slate since he was commenting on it and not reporting it.Denial isn't a good option for you at this point Hunter."I think it is criminally nasty that you really seem to believe what you have said so far about this."Look at the facts of the matter. How many posts did reform clubbers write about Mrs Schiavo? Ten, fifteen, twenty? I'm willing to bet at least some of you donated to groups trying to prevent her being removed from life support or at the minimum sent messages to representatives with your opinions of the matter.Now look at this case which is infinitely more open and closed. The woman didn't want to die and she was killed. FOR BEING POOR. And your response? So far not even one message expressing horror. Instead nothing but evasions. "We didn't know!" Yeah, you know now and your concern isn't exactly over powering. And the only reason you didn't know earlier is because your chosen heroes are slimy political operatives who manipulate your genuine faith to do the most tawdry and disgustion dirty deeds.Time to wake up Hunter. Time to grow up. Here is something much worse than the Schiavo case. If you can't bother to muster some indignation you really need to stop pretending to be a "right to lifer."It's your choice: partisan or principle. I'm afraid you can't do both anymore.
You don't get it. Sadly, I don't think you will get it. I don't like this story. I think it is wrong. I think you would get the same reaction from any other pro-lifer. Slate reported the death after the fact. There was no advance notice.At this point you are basically spewing venom in your continuous effort to make hypocrites of those who hold values different from your own, which may make you the ultimate values imperialist.I'm not in denial because I actually KNOW some of the people in the community you would call the religious right. And they ain't what you say they are, buddy.
One other thing that is interesting is that you are fond of complaining that someone is off-thread or off-topic when the discussion ranges away from what your perceive as the core issue. However, in this post, which was about discrimination against a black republican, you hijacked the comments to discuss an end-of-life case that nobody ever heard of.
Now look at this case which is infinitely more open and closed. The woman didn't want to die and she was killed. FOR BEING POOR.Where were the liberals in all of this? If she wanted to die, I would expect them not to be there - but since she didn't, then you guys would be 'on the hook' too.
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