"There is always a philosophy for lack of courage."—Albert Camus

Friday, December 24, 2004

A Moment for Tlaloc . . .

A commenter who goes by Tlaloc has expressed some consternation over our pro-Christmas, pro-Christianity in the public square thoughts. My answer is the same as always. Our culture is made of stuff like religious faith, history, art, music, tradition, etc. America is not an officially Christian nation, but it is a nation where a large number of Christian people live. This deeply held faith will express itself in the public square and should unless we hold to some artificial segregation of ideas and customs. Steven D. Smith writes well on this issue in Getting Over Equality. He wonders why we should have to draw exactly the same lines between religion and the public square in Massachusetts as we do in Alabama. It's a line of inquiry worth following. Think outside the box, dear lefties!

3 comments:

Luke said...

It is not just the faith of a lot of the American people that makes Christmas an important national holiday: it is that Christianity was the faith that enabled our cultural ancestors -- at a terrible price -- to build and bequeath to us the civilization we live in, like none other ever seen. This History -- these Facts -- are what justify the celebration, quite apart from the present state of the faith. We have an obligation to remember, just as we have an obligation to remember Lincoln, and the Civil War, and the Battle Hymn of the Republic. As a culture and a civilization, they are all parts of who we are and where we came from. If nothing else we owe it to our children to celebrate and remember these things, lest they take it all for granted -- the and let it slip away.

Tlaloc said...

"This deeply held faith will express itself in the public square and should unless we hold to some artificial segregation of ideas and customs. "

We not only hold to it we write into our government's founding document.


"He wonders why we should have to draw exactly the same lines between religion and the public square in Massachusetts as we do in Alabama."

Because there are only two rational positions to take. Either to allow all faiths equal use of public resources or to deny all faiths access to public resources. Anything else is simply abusing the unpopular faiths. The first option is ruled out because of the number of people who would freak out at having a Church of Satan display opposite their nativity. The sad fact is the only way to keep religions from fighting is to keep them private as much as possible.


"Think outside the box, dear lefties!"

Unfortunately pushing one's religion on others and trying to create theocratic institutions is hardly outside the box. Separation of Church and State was a huge accomplishment in the creation of the US but of course it's been under assault from day one.

Evanston said...

Tlaloc, Christ set forth a separation of church and state. Most Christians have no problem with this separation as instituted in early America. The difference now is citizens are not free to say the word "Jesus" at a governmental function unless they complete the sentence with "was a man/not God/did not exist" etc. Attack Christ and you can exercise "free speech" and even get government funding. Plus, most lefties want government rules/regulations everywhere (private businesses, church-run hospitals, you name it), which effectively keeps my mouth shut at the cost of a lawsuit and gives lefties free rein to denigrate Christians and morality endlessly. Look at Christians who are now being forced to dispense abortion pills. Your comments about a theocracy are a joke. You, in fact, are the one imposing your beliefs on the rest of us at gunpoint.